Michael Prophet - Poverty

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Re: Michael Prophet - Poverty

Postby Ranking Glasses » Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:08 pm

"You're trying to be amusing but you're rather confusing." (Big Youth).
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Re: Michael Prophet - Poverty

Postby Novice » Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:14 pm

"And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music." (Fred)

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Re: Michael Prophet - Poverty

Postby Dread Archive » Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:34 pm

The new release repress of Michael Prophet - Poverty on Iroko 12" is very slow pitch. The originals are faster.
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Re: Michael Prophet - Poverty

Postby Novice » Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:45 pm

I can only compare from youtube to the freedom sounds release but didn't sound pitched slow to me but the vocals sound like they are higher in the mix on the Iroko. Again this is off youtube/honest jons so not the best circumstances.

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Re: Michael Prophet - Poverty

Postby Ranking Glasses » Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:40 pm

Does Ethiopian Kings have the most rhythmic bassline in reggae?
Do you prefer a melodic / complex bassline like Ethiopian Kings or a sparse bud-oof, bud-oof like this one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LnygIuBFaw
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Re: Michael Prophet - Poverty

Postby Novice » Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:03 pm

Tough to say, I enjoy the complex ones as well as sparse ones, to me the melody it creates or heartbeat it provides is more how my preference is decided. Ethiopian Kings is pretty rhythmic agreed but there are others I think that are contenders. Typically the reggae bass lines seems a bit more "steady" and don't usually get overly "notey" but when they do it's quite enjoyable me thinks..example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvYSYOKFCbk . Here's another that's somewhere between a steady bass style and the more elaborate ones https://youtu.be/7Avz3fLX7Dk?t=186 . And here's another that starts out as a steady one but then changes up a bit then back to steady...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozl0QxoemAY . And perhaps a more classic sparse one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kY_TeUns4JQ though it still has more going on I think than the Yabby one you posted though I was having trouble hearing the bass line on the video.

I love em all but if I'm being completely honest, I think I like the ones that give me a sense power and make me feel a little bigger, a little smarter and a little better than I am or perhaps than what my normal state of mind allows me to feel or believe. A bit like those folks I mentioned in the other thread about respect/power/insecurity but by means of a more positive and less destructive fashion.

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Re: Michael Prophet - Poverty

Postby Novice » Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:05 pm

Just realized the last two rhythms there are very similar...hadn't listened to them in such close proximity before.

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Re: Michael Prophet - Poverty

Postby Ranking Glasses » Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:37 am

Yes, very similar but are they the most rhythmic? This old classic has a very melodic bassline which almost tells a story of its own: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mu6TFKu5x5g
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Re: Michael Prophet - Poverty

Postby drwatts53 » Thu Jul 19, 2018 2:49 pm

Ranking Glasses wrote:Does Ethiopian Kings have the most rhythmic bassline in reggae?
Do you prefer a melodic / complex bassline like Ethiopian Kings or a sparse bud-oof, bud-oof like this one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LnygIuBFaw


Surely rhythm is one thing, melody another, and complexity something else again. Assuming I've got the drift of what you're saying, though, I'd have to answer no to your first question. One example that springs to mind is Familyman's bass on the Live! version of Kinky Reggae (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQOdjIC1_JA ), especially when he lets rip more or less on his own.
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Re: Michael Prophet - Poverty

Postby Ranking Glasses » Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:15 pm

I'm talking more about the bassline on the original recording rather than improvising for the crowd at a concert.
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Re: Michael Prophet - Poverty

Postby drwatts53 » Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:57 pm

Ranking Glasses wrote:I'm talking more about the bassline on the original recording rather than improvising for the crowd at a concert.


To my ears at least, the live version simply highlights the original bassline (which is of course speeded up in the live version): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EICviwlex3Y .

PS I've listened to the Live! version again to check (especially from 2:25) and the bassline is simply repeated - there's none of the improvisation you might find in a rock or jazz bass solo.
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Re: Michael Prophet - Poverty

Postby Novice » Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:30 pm

Most rhythmic is an odd way of putting it. I'm not sure there is an objective definition of MOST rhythmic and it would be a matter of taste. I had written more of a response based on the youtube video but I'll be damned if I could hear the bass properly so my response would have been ill informed. I went and put the cd on the stereo to hear it properly and yes I agree with your assessment, it does seem to tell a story of it's own and is pretty melodic.

As far as rhythm, melody etc. I think I understand melody pretty well but rhythm is something I would need someone with a little more knowledge to break down for me properly. There have been times on the board where people have thought something was on the same rhythm then others chimed in it's not the same rhythm but that its a similar bass line or melody so I get a little lost trying to sort all that out properly.

I'll expand on your Linval tune and offer another that tells a story, perhaps in the same vein but just a bit "more" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkEuMYR2yQk I don't know if the dub to Burning Spears This Population sounds as good as this cut because I don't have that tune but the bass comes out lovely in the Jackie Mittoo tune. Also I don't know if it's just his organ playing that compliments it or what but it really seems to bring it out very pleasantly.

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Re: Michael Prophet - Poverty

Postby Ranking Glasses » Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:33 pm

Lively Up Yourself by BMWs is another good example. It's as if the bassline is telling a story of moving & grooving, ducking & diving and being super cool.
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Re: Michael Prophet - Poverty

Postby Novice » Thu Jul 19, 2018 7:59 pm

So like the bass line is writing War & Peace?

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Re: Michael Prophet - Poverty

Postby Ranking Glasses » Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:15 pm

Yes but the abridged version.
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